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		By: Jean-Jacques		</title>
		<link>https://gypsycafe.org/2016/05/28/building-new-world-within-9/#comment-38673</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jean-Jacques]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gypsycafe.org/2016/05/28/building-new-world-within-9/#comment-38672&quot;&gt;auremorn&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you, Auremorn for the feedback. I&#039;m very glad that you enjoyed reading it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gypsycafe.org/2016/05/28/building-new-world-within-9/#comment-38672">auremorn</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you, Auremorn for the feedback. I&#8217;m very glad that you enjoyed reading it.</p>
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		By: auremorn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2017 03:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you Jean Jacques for this marvelous and thought provoking post.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Jean Jacques for this marvelous and thought provoking post.</p>
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		By: Jean-Jacques		</title>
		<link>https://gypsycafe.org/2016/05/28/building-new-world-within-9/#comment-36731</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jean-Jacques]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2016 19:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gypsycafe.org/2016/05/28/building-new-world-within-9/#comment-36729&quot;&gt;smilecalm&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for reading, David. It is a big and wide subject (and complex too), but debating the underlying issues and stumble blocks might help us to see potential solutions - and essentially it helps us identify our own resistance to changing our ways, from a life-style point of view.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gypsycafe.org/2016/05/28/building-new-world-within-9/#comment-36729">smilecalm</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for reading, David. It is a big and wide subject (and complex too), but debating the underlying issues and stumble blocks might help us to see potential solutions &#8211; and essentially it helps us identify our own resistance to changing our ways, from a life-style point of view.</p>
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		By: smilecalm		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2016 15:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[enjoyed this insightful, moving discourse on caring &#038; providing for
our needs &#038; wants while attempting to exist in harmony :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>enjoyed this insightful, moving discourse on caring &amp; providing for<br />
our needs &amp; wants while attempting to exist in harmony 🙂</p>
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		By: Jean-Jacques		</title>
		<link>https://gypsycafe.org/2016/05/28/building-new-world-within-9/#comment-36709</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jean-Jacques]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2016 18:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gypsycafe.org/2016/05/28/building-new-world-within-9/#comment-36708&quot;&gt;Debra Malmos&lt;/a&gt;.

I think for me the key issue is that there are many, many, many more people than corporations - corporations won&#039;t start caring - because it&#039;s not &quot;in their nature&quot; to do so, so we are wasting our time to expect them to start doing that, but WE (the collective) have the capacity to care(more) - and as we can see in the case of the mass consumption  of electronic goods worldwide (the main subject of this article) - in the face of various environmental crises, we can come to the conclusion that there is &quot;a democratic decision&quot; by the consumer masses to go off the cliff, all together (like lemmings) - as long as they can go out while having some fun... (not unlike the people partying on the Titanic) - and I think we can apply the same rule to car drivers who insist on driving even if they can take public transport. 

We are the people we have been waiting for... to become more responsible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gypsycafe.org/2016/05/28/building-new-world-within-9/#comment-36708">Debra Malmos</a>.</p>
<p>I think for me the key issue is that there are many, many, many more people than corporations &#8211; corporations won&#8217;t start caring &#8211; because it&#8217;s not &#8220;in their nature&#8221; to do so, so we are wasting our time to expect them to start doing that, but WE (the collective) have the capacity to care(more) &#8211; and as we can see in the case of the mass consumption  of electronic goods worldwide (the main subject of this article) &#8211; in the face of various environmental crises, we can come to the conclusion that there is &#8220;a democratic decision&#8221; by the consumer masses to go off the cliff, all together (like lemmings) &#8211; as long as they can go out while having some fun&#8230; (not unlike the people partying on the Titanic) &#8211; and I think we can apply the same rule to car drivers who insist on driving even if they can take public transport. </p>
<p>We are the people we have been waiting for&#8230; to become more responsible.</p>
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		By: Debra Malmos		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2016 18:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gypsycafe.org/2016/05/28/building-new-world-within-9/#comment-36707&quot;&gt;Jean-Jacques&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, there are lots of ways we can reduce our carbon footprint. Corporate greed is hard for me to talk about after working in banking 20+ years - the stories I could tell...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gypsycafe.org/2016/05/28/building-new-world-within-9/#comment-36707">Jean-Jacques</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, there are lots of ways we can reduce our carbon footprint. Corporate greed is hard for me to talk about after working in banking 20+ years &#8211; the stories I could tell&#8230;</p>
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		By: Jean-Jacques		</title>
		<link>https://gypsycafe.org/2016/05/28/building-new-world-within-9/#comment-36707</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jean-Jacques]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2016 18:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gypsycafe.org/2016/05/28/building-new-world-within-9/#comment-36705&quot;&gt;Debra Malmos&lt;/a&gt;.

You make a very good point, Debra (I can relate). What
about  corporate responsibility? My answer would beto - 
as far as possible - support small local shops or to buy 
at the markets - if they exist in your area - and in that way
to support the local community. I know that&#039;s not always 
possible - sometimes the only store in the area is a large 
supermarket or shopping centre. Corporations don&#039;t have (human) 
ethics, so it&#039;s best to buy from humans. It is also true that 
people who are just making ends meet, or those who just bring 
enough home to pay the bills and buy food, without nothing left, 
are not in a position to be more responsible than what they already 
are. But, I think in terms of buying electronic devices and 
replacing them as soon as new models are launched - and considering
the environmental impact - this isan area where we can choose to be 
more responsible. In terms of food, there are some other options
too - people with a small patch of land or a bit of garden space 
can grow some vegetables. Unfortunately due to so many people 
living in cities it can be very hard to  live differently from 
everyone else - and the infrastructure doesn&#039;t really allow it. 
But, in the cities people can be more responsible by using public
transport (as much as possible)instead of taking their cars, 
or try to reduce their waste or improve their recycling. Every 
bit helps - each person can just do whatever they can within 
their own personal context. That&#039;s the best we can do, but it 
is important that we try to do something. And on weekends 
we can go out and plant some trees - to help the atmosphere 
to breath better - I&#039;ve heard this is one of the best options 
we have to help the offset the carbon. I fully understand 
your frustration though, because the average people like us 
are always expected to take responsibility and be concerned
while the rest and especially the better-offs party like there
is no tomorrow. Generally the problem is that just not enough 
people care about these issues.

In Lak&#039;ech,
Jacques]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gypsycafe.org/2016/05/28/building-new-world-within-9/#comment-36705">Debra Malmos</a>.</p>
<p>You make a very good point, Debra (I can relate). What<br />
about  corporate responsibility? My answer would beto &#8211;<br />
as far as possible &#8211; support small local shops or to buy<br />
at the markets &#8211; if they exist in your area &#8211; and in that way<br />
to support the local community. I know that&#8217;s not always<br />
possible &#8211; sometimes the only store in the area is a large<br />
supermarket or shopping centre. Corporations don&#8217;t have (human)<br />
ethics, so it&#8217;s best to buy from humans. It is also true that<br />
people who are just making ends meet, or those who just bring<br />
enough home to pay the bills and buy food, without nothing left,<br />
are not in a position to be more responsible than what they already<br />
are. But, I think in terms of buying electronic devices and<br />
replacing them as soon as new models are launched &#8211; and considering<br />
the environmental impact &#8211; this isan area where we can choose to be<br />
more responsible. In terms of food, there are some other options<br />
too &#8211; people with a small patch of land or a bit of garden space<br />
can grow some vegetables. Unfortunately due to so many people<br />
living in cities it can be very hard to  live differently from<br />
everyone else &#8211; and the infrastructure doesn&#8217;t really allow it.<br />
But, in the cities people can be more responsible by using public<br />
transport (as much as possible)instead of taking their cars,<br />
or try to reduce their waste or improve their recycling. Every<br />
bit helps &#8211; each person can just do whatever they can within<br />
their own personal context. That&#8217;s the best we can do, but it<br />
is important that we try to do something. And on weekends<br />
we can go out and plant some trees &#8211; to help the atmosphere<br />
to breath better &#8211; I&#8217;ve heard this is one of the best options<br />
we have to help the offset the carbon. I fully understand<br />
your frustration though, because the average people like us<br />
are always expected to take responsibility and be concerned<br />
while the rest and especially the better-offs party like there<br />
is no tomorrow. Generally the problem is that just not enough<br />
people care about these issues.</p>
<p>In Lak&#8217;ech,<br />
Jacques</p>
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		By: Debra Malmos		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2016 14:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Being personally responsible - what I see in the corporate environment is people with privilege sharing freebees with one another. Instead of sharing excess privileges with people who are in need, or have no access to the privilege. I remember times past when I only wished I could afford to buy the jumbo discount on toilet paper. There is a disparity of economy, when those better off are the only ones who can buy things at a discount. 

Debra]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being personally responsible &#8211; what I see in the corporate environment is people with privilege sharing freebees with one another. Instead of sharing excess privileges with people who are in need, or have no access to the privilege. I remember times past when I only wished I could afford to buy the jumbo discount on toilet paper. There is a disparity of economy, when those better off are the only ones who can buy things at a discount. </p>
<p>Debra</p>
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		By: Jean-Jacques		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jean-Jacques]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2016 12:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gypsycafe.org/2016/05/28/building-new-world-within-9/#comment-36679&quot;&gt;Josh Gross &#124; The Jaguar&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;But when you think about it, society is just the sum of our individual actions&quot;. - Excellently summarised in one sentence, Josh (compared to my 4000 words). 
It&#039;s such a simple concept. Thank you for reading and contributing to the discussion! 
Jacques]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gypsycafe.org/2016/05/28/building-new-world-within-9/#comment-36679">Josh Gross | The Jaguar</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;But when you think about it, society is just the sum of our individual actions&#8221;. &#8211; Excellently summarised in one sentence, Josh (compared to my 4000 words).<br />
It&#8217;s such a simple concept. Thank you for reading and contributing to the discussion!<br />
Jacques</p>
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		By: Josh Gross &#124; The Jaguar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2016 11:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A very thought-provoking read, Jacques. I haven&#039;t enough time to go into my reactions in detail (what&#039;s that you were just saying about free time?), but the parts that grabbed my attention the most were the bits about responsibility. 

It seems to me that it&#039;s a common reaction to blame &quot;society&quot; for the shortcomings of the world. But when you think about it, society is just the sum of our individual actions. All of these things which seem to be so powerful: money, political structures, hierarchies; only have power because enough people choose to act in ways that make them real. Power is not some tangible physical force, but the result of social consensus. Therefore if we want to change &quot;society&#039;s&quot; value systems, then all we need is for enough people to begin acting differently. We don&#039;t need to wait for our elected officials to pass some sweeping legislation (although that would certainly help!), we can start acting in more socially responsible ways with or without their blessing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very thought-provoking read, Jacques. I haven&#8217;t enough time to go into my reactions in detail (what&#8217;s that you were just saying about free time?), but the parts that grabbed my attention the most were the bits about responsibility. </p>
<p>It seems to me that it&#8217;s a common reaction to blame &#8220;society&#8221; for the shortcomings of the world. But when you think about it, society is just the sum of our individual actions. All of these things which seem to be so powerful: money, political structures, hierarchies; only have power because enough people choose to act in ways that make them real. Power is not some tangible physical force, but the result of social consensus. Therefore if we want to change &#8220;society&#8217;s&#8221; value systems, then all we need is for enough people to begin acting differently. We don&#8217;t need to wait for our elected officials to pass some sweeping legislation (although that would certainly help!), we can start acting in more socially responsible ways with or without their blessing.</p>
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