Hello Dalo, I much appreciate your comment. If you make it to Caral I can strongly recommend it, but it’s a place for people who are really interested in archaeology and ancient civilizations, it’s not a typical tourist spot. It’s a great place for reflection, so I hope you make it there one day. I’m glad my post inspired you and gave you a taste of being there.
I’m wishing you pleasant journeys!
J.J.

The best question yet, David! What will visitors to our ruins think in the distant future, as opposed to what we think about the ancient sites of the past..? Would they consider us an advanced civilisation? The more I think about all of this the more I’m convinced that the Vedic Great Year cycle is real. In that context Caral was a higher civilisation than the one we have right now (in spite of all our technology.) Thank you for joining!

Thanks for visiting, Henry. I became aware of the ancient archaeology sites in the northern parts of Peru when I visited the archaeology museum in Lima, sites such as Chavin (1500 – 500 BC), Chan Chan (900 – 1470 AD) and several others. Machu Piccu in the south has taken all the fame, but there’s really so much more! I hope you make it back soon as Peru definitely deserves several visits. Thanks for mentioning the Larco Museum – it looks like it’s one of the best ones in Lima – will try to go before I leave.

Good points about the profit imperative, Debra. It basically distracts from finding basic solutions in advance. It is challenging though, well impossible really to live without chasing money to a certain extent – we have to live and pay the bills. Once our focus on the material subsides and we start focusing more on the spiritual and on community, I believe solutions will start falling in place naturally. In the meantime I advocate for a ‘one-foot-in-one-foot-out’ approach. We can start working on supplementing and substituting through more organic ways, such as growing vegetables in our gardens, learning how to do permaculture, making use of renewable energy, cycling and walking more, driving less, and so on. If we already have one foot out when the time comes to make a complete transition, the transition will be easier.

Ancient civilisations such as Caral are fascinating because as you noted , look at all the technology they had! “The city’s infrastructure design also featured seismic resilience and underground air ducts which fuelled fires for heating and cooking” – so they had comforts, resilience and safety. Another interesting thing I read was that they did not seem to have stored food as they lived right next to a fertile valley, so food was always available even though the area in general was very dry.

I think the biggest problem the world will face is that the global population has grown so large, that it would be very difficult to support so many people through traditional methods – Caral apparently only had about 3000 inhabitants. Some low population countries will be able to do it, but the high population coutries with limited fertile land may have challenges. On a local level though I do think that many people will be able to find solutions as things get harder. Community leaders skilled in survival methods, permaculture, urban farming and basic living while maintaining some level of comfort will be in demand and will be needed to guide the way – spiritually and practically.

About the “rocket science” – it’s hard when the intention is to make the most money. The “rocket science” we can’t figure out is that when we do everything together for the good of the whole, Abundance will overflow for everyone, everywhere. I’m praying it’s as simple as One Divine thought that finally gets through. 🙂

Thanks for taking us on the journey.
in lak’ech, Debra

The interesting thing about Caral is that the idea of a self-sustaining civilisation was implemented by them on a practical level – it was not “rocket-science” for them, so why should it be such a challenge for us? Is it perhaps simply a matter of us not wanting to give up our comforts? Perhaps we can learn a think or two from the Caral civilisation.

Katherine, thanks for your comment. Indeed, much of such ancient civilisations remain a mystery – they existed so long ago that it’s very hard to know exactly what happened and how they lived. Archaeologists rely on carbon-dating (how accurate carbon-dating really is only experts in the field would know) and on literally and figuratively putting the pieces together from the artefacts, pieces of clothing, cultural items such as music instruments (flutes made from bone were excavated in Caral) and so on, in order to arrive at a picture of how the civilisation was.

In terms of collapse – all civilisations seem to have a timeline – they rise and they fall. If one considers the *Vedic Great Year then all advanced civilisations that were on the descending arc of evolution would have been prone to collapse – it would have been inevitable, because consciousness would have been diminishing over time, so it would have been very hard to maintain a civilisation under such circumstances.

*As discussed in Energy Shifts – Part 5:
http://gypsycafe.org/2018/07/14/the-yin-and-yang-of-growth-and-the-great-shift/